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This is Maureen Farrell and Heather O’Neal and this is the Milk Minute. We’re midwives and lactation professionals bringing you the most up-to-date evidence for all things lactation. So you can feel more confident about feeding your baby, body, positivity relationships and mental health. Plus, we laugh a little or a lot along the way. So join us for another episode.

Maureen: Welcome to another episode of the milk minute podcast. Today, we have an extra special treat for you. We’re actually going to have a conversation with Laura and Shanna from The Big Fat Positive Podcast.

Heather:  Absolutely we are! I’ve been bingeing their podcast now for months. Ever since Maureen turned me on to them and they are so funny and so personable. They’re best friends that got together and got pregnant at the same exact time. And so they talk about all of their pregnancy journeys and they keep it real, which we love more than anything as you know.

Maureen: Yeah. So before we hop into that with them, we have a question from a listener and then stick around to the end and we’ll do awards in the alcove.

Heather: All right. Today’s question is from Mama Sarah. She says, “I was wondering if any mommy’s do exclusively breastfeed, but don’t leak anymore? My baby girl will be six months on the 22nd, but I haven’t leaked for three months. I’m just curious if this is normal?”

Maureen: We want it to tell you that yes, it is normal. It’s actually normal to leak all the time, or never leak or anything in between. Um, to leak in pregnancy, or never leak in pregnancy. I mean, leaking is kind of just a sign of like how sensitive your body is to having a letdown. And, you know, I think the most common time we see leaking is in the first, like two months.

You know, your body’s still regulating milk production and your, your breasts are still, um, kind of learning how to respond to oxytocin. Right. But, you know, after that, most people kind of stop leaking.

Heather: Yeah, especially after your milk regulates and you’re making pretty much exactly what baby needs. You don’t have a lot of surplus that’s triggered to be squirted out at the drop of a hat. You know, when you rub your nipples against a t-shirt, when you think about a baby. When you think about a baby and your nipples are like, what are we doing? We got to feed? And then they start squirting. So that doesn’t typically happen after your milk is, is more regulated.

So to answer your question in short, Mama Sarah, yes, it’s completely normal.

Maureen: Yeah. And it has no impact on how long you’re going to breastfeed, too. A lot of people ask me that, like, if they never leak, are they not going to make enough? How long are they going to breastfeed? It doesn’t matter.

Heather:  Yeah. And it also has no reflection on your milk supply. Yep. So there you go. All right. Let’s dig into this awesome interview with our new friends, Laura, and Shanna.

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Welcome to another episode of The Milk Minute Podcast.

Maureen: Today, we have the pleasure of having some of our friends from the Big Fat Positive podcast on with us.

Heather: Yes, Laura and Shanna. Thank you so much for coming and being with us today. We are loving your podcast. Maureen actually turned me onto it. I was so mad that it took me so long to get onto the podcast.

And I’ve been bingeing all of your episodes ever since. And you all have such great advice about parenting. And we’re so focused on breastfeeding. It might be nice for our listeners to get a broader perspective for one of our episodes. So we’re so happy to have you experts on here.

Shanna:  Oh, how fun Laura we’re experts.

Thank you guys for having us

Laura: Yeah, we love to be here.

Maureen: Awesome. Could you guys tell us a little bit about yourself?

Shanna:  Sorry buddy, you go first.

Laura: Dammit. My name is Laura Birek. I am currently tomorrow, I’m 37 weeks pregnant with my second son and Shanna and I started this podcast, Big Fat Positive. We got pregnant.

Well, let me go back. Uh, Shanna and I met in grad school, at USC. We were screenwriting, or actually, I guess Shanna was studying fiction. I was studying screenwriting and we became fast friends and we became writing partners. And we started writing television pilots together, and we were just, you know, best friends and doing all of our like, creative work together.

And then we both got pregnant within three weeks of each other and we realized that our writing, you know, might need to take a bit of a pause. And we said, Oh, you know what, let’s start a podcast about pregnancy. And I think I sent her a text message like, “Hey, this is crazy. You want to start a podcast about pregnancy?”

And she was like, “yeah, let’s do it.” So, we have just been doing it ever since. And, um, now I’m pregnant with my second kid, as I mentioned. And we’ve been doing the podcasts for two and a half years about. Yeah, almost three, three years. Almost. Yeah. We started when I was eight weeks pregnant, and Shanna was 11 weeks pregnant.

I think, with our, that was Shanna’s second. Shanna has two adorable little girls, and I am about to have two boys and yeah, that’s me.

Shanna: And, and, uh, yeah, I’m Shanna I have a two-year-old daughter and an almost five-year-old daughter, and I am what the medical community calls a geriatric mother. I had my first baby when I was 38 years old. Doctor’s like, “You’re geriatric.” Like that’s the professional term. So, I always joke about that. Yeah. And I have a full-time job. I am currently taking care of both the girls, uh, full time during the pandemic and, uh, just generally losing my mind all the time.

Heather: It’s real over here, sometimes. The anxiety just goes up and up and up and then there’s nowhere to put it.

So, you just look at your partner and it’s like, I don’t know, I gotta get out of here. And they’re like, I gotta get outta here. It’s like, we can’t go anywhere! There’s nowhere to go!

Shanna: Oh my God. It’s just bananas. Yes. Yeah.

Maureen: Awesome. Well, I realized we actually probably haven’t ever told our listeners how Heather and I met, which is hilarious. I, I don’t know, but you’re talking about, I was like, Oh, maybe we should mention that.

Laura: I want to know.

Maureen: Well, Heather and I are both midwives and we met when you were pregnant with Heidi at a conference. Because we were all having drinks like at just the midwives. Cause there are like these perinatal conferences, so it’s all OB’s. They’re like 90% jackasses and the midwives get together and have fun wine in a corner.

We, we, that’s how we met. And it was great.

Heather: I was actually there trying to stalk a few doctors to see if they would sign a collaborative agreement with me so I could do home birth and still prescribe. Because some states are real assholes about, you know, like, Oh, we, we’re going to give you authority to do this, but we also want someone to babysit you.

And it’s like, ah, so I was there trying to like schmooze and I’m like, look how cute and pregnant I am. And this is all the cool stuff I’m doing, and who wants to sign on with me? And they were like, none of us. Oh, I’m going to sit with you in the corner and talk about how awful this is. It was love at first site. So, I’m glad I went. Oh my gosh.

Well, you know what, here’s the thing, we have you guys on here, and Maureen is also pregnant. And we were thinking maybe we could combine forces and talk about bringing home baby number two. And Shanna, I have two, a seven-year-old and a two-year-old and you have two, and then we got our two preggo friends over here.

Um, so if we get questions from listeners all the time about, you know, bringing home baby, number two, how am I going to breastfeed and manage it all while having this new baby and a very demanding sibling and yada yada yada, the list of concerns goes on and on. So, we wanted to get your perspective on how you think it’s going to be different this time around, Laura and Maureen. Yeah.

Laura: Well, for me, um, Shanna is the one who actually knows how it goes. So, I just feel like I should defer to her on the actual expertise, but something I’m really curious about is that I’m still nursing my two-year-old, he just turned two. I mean, it’s all colostrum at this point, and it’s once a day, but every morning when I see him, he says “booboo time.”

And how can you say no? Right. He’s so cute. Uh, and so one thing I’m trying to do to prep him. Is I’ve been talking to him for weeks about how baby brother is going to get booboo time first. Like, but baby, brother’s going to have to have it a lot. That’s the only thing he can eat. You get to eat pizza. He has to only drink, you know, breast milk.

Um, and I have no idea if it’s sticking, like he, he talks about it, but I have no idea if it’s going to register or if he’s going to lose his freaking mind when he sees baby brother nursing. Hm. You know, 24 /7 and he can’t get in on that action right away. So..

Heather:  Or can he?

Laura: I know I’m not. I I’m not a hundred percent sure.

Well, I mean, who knows what happens, but I’m not sure I’m ready for like the tandem situation. Like literally at the exact same time, I think I might lose it, but that said, who knows? I can see myself probably like sideline or like back-lying. And they’re just like, on both sides.

Shanna: That’s definitely gonna be you. Takes it out, you know, while you’re sleeping.

That’s toddlers. They’re like they just lift your shirt and they’re like, I got it. I’m good.

Heather:  Don’t do anything, mommy. I’m just going to 100% do it all myself.

Shanna:  Just a dispenser.

Laura: I went to my OB last week and told him, you know, I was still nursing. And uh, he said, “Oh, you know, I have a feeling, you know, when your milk comes back in your, your older toddler will just, he won’t Brian, I’ll be interested.”

I was like, I don’t think that’s going to happen. You don’t know my kid. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s my, my, one of my bigger concerns that I’d love to like hear from, from you both about that. As far as bringing them home, Shanna, you had, Elle was three. Right? Just three, three.

Shanna: She was almost, yeah, it was, it was trickier actually than I thought it would be.

I just imagine it would be just this wonderful love fest of two children, et cetera, et cetera. And it was at first, you know, the, the older daughter, Elle was really gentle and sweet and in love with the new baby and very quickly got jealous of her and very quickly got jealous that I was, you know, holed up in the bedroom a lot.

Yeah. You know, feeding the baby and just up all night and tired and sleeping when I could. And what really helped honestly is having her dad take the lead at that time. And it was hard for me. I had, I mean, I still have a special bond with Elle, but especially at that time, because she was my first and only. And to have to step back from that and allow Steve as my husband.

Allow him to take the lead. It was very difficult for me to let go, but I’m so glad I did. Their relationship strengthened a lot, and it was really wonderful to see them get a chance to, to bond. So, my advice always, if, if you have a partner who’s available to step in and take the lead at that time. I think that is extremely helpful.

Heather: Yes. Speaking of partners, how do you think both of you can probably speak to this at this point, but how do you think your partners have evolved from the first one to now?

Shanna: I think that Steve has really, I don’t want to say he’s become a better dad because he’s always been a great dad, but as far as taking the lead on things, he’s gotten a lot better at that. More assertive of just,

now it’s mealtime, now it’s bedtime. You know, whereas I was kind of that lead role, that manager position for a really long time, I just kind of slid into that. I wasn’t working at the time. So, I was with the baby more, et cetera. And especially him having that period of time, you know, really focused on Elle and having to see what all the routines are and all of the different things that we do.

I think that empowered him in a way to feel more comfortable in that managerial parent role?

Maureen: Yeah. I think the confidence gained for, for my husband that I’ve seen between our first kid where I didn’t find out he never changed a diaper till I asked him to do one. I don’t know why I didn’t think to ask him that before.

And I was like, change his diaper. And he was like, well, how?

I didn’t realize that he didn’t. I mean, I kinda knew, but I didn’t realize he didn’t grow up the way I did where he was babysitting and had a million cousins all the time. And I was like, holy shit, you have no idea how to care for a baby. And now we have to today, we have to do that. You know, now he’s like super dad and they, he just

randomly decided yesterday to go up with my son to the mountain and, you know, go stay in a cabin for a few days for a boy’s trip. And I was like, Oh, okay, great.

Laura: Oh, how do I convince my husband to do that? I am like so desperate for a day alone at home after this pandemic. Sounds, amazing!

Maureen:  Yeah, he can’t take all the credit. Like our marital counselor told him to start doing that. He was like, “Your wife needs alone time, literally more than anything.” Yeah. So, oh my God, we talk about that.

Heather: Can I just say like, you know, I didn’t really realize that when I was going through my PMS week, that I was more inclined to hang out with girls only because guys just drive me insane, like their weird throat noises and like their stupid habits when I’m PMSing and I’m just like, “Ahh!” So now I can’t get away. And so, I’ll have to tell him, I’m like, listen, we need to be aware. This is PMS week. And literally everything you do is going to make me mad. So, can you just stay on that side? And I will love you from afar.

Shanna:  Love you from afar. Oh, that’s great. I’m stealing that!

Maureen: I like that.

Heather: It’s serious. Well, you know, I think that for me, my biggest challenge was, uh, having the first one, I think was way harder than having the second one. Because I am not naturally a, a drill sergeant with schedules and I never really was that disciplined in my life as a person, you know, like I got all my stuff done because it was just me and like I had all the time in the world.

And so, having that first baby, I was like, Oh my God, I’m in charge all the time. I’m in charge of another human being. And I had to really evolve as a human being the first time around, which was slow going and painful. And so now that when I brought the second one home, I was like, Oh, I got this. Cause that first hump that I had to get over was a doozy.

And so, by number two, I was like, “We got this.” Someone’s already doing bedtime. Cause we already have a kid. So, whenever someone asks me, which one is harder, the first or the second, and I’m like first, it’s the first one for me.

Shanna: Interesting, yeah.

Laura: It’s nice to hear that because you know, I’ve heard both perspectives. I’ve heard, it’s like, you know what you’re doing. Newborns are easy. Once you’ve had one, you know, like compared to toddlers. I do feel like once you get to toddlers, you’re like, oh my God, newborns, you put them down and they stay there. Like, what is this magic? So, I’m looking forward to that.

But then you also hear people who say it’s exponentially harder because you’re adding all this stuff.

Shanna:  Um, yeah. I’m, I’m one of those people. I wouldn’t say exponentially harder, but it’s harder because you see, you still have to manage your high energy. See, I have a very high energy older daughter, so that could have something to do with it.

You know, very high energy, very chatty, very, just wants to be around me all the time and not really play by herself. So, I still had to manage that while being exhausted. Oh my God. So tired from being awake all night with a newborn and all of that. So that was probably the biggest challenge for me, getting through that period.

Maureen: I think that’s the thing I’ve been working on most with my son during this pregnancy. He’s five. And up until like the last couple of months was that kid who like, if I wasn’t with him every second, it was a fucking problem. And so I’ve been like, Oh, like here, I got him this audio book player he can control by himself

that’s not on the fucking tablet. And like, you know, started like putting some more of his toys in his room and I’d be like, why don’t you go spend 20 minutes up there? Or, you know, I’m like, all right. Oh, it’s outside time. Go be outside for 10 minutes by yourself and I’ll come meet you there then. And started like inching those times longer and longer because I was like, this is going to be a problem with another baby.

Like, it’s a big problem. I’m scared.

Shanna: Good for you. That’s such a good idea. That’s brilliant. Brilliant.

Laura: And I was going to say the pandemic really just makes everything just more just heightened because not only do you have a, a clingy kid, I have a clingy kid. He’s just, you know, basically what happens is he’ll play independently for a couple of minutes and he goes, “hugs” and he like needs hugs.

And it’s the sweetest thing you can’t say no, but, you know, sometimes when the new baby’s here, it’s going to be like, and I have most likely C-section scar that’s healing. Uh, there’s not a, the hugs can’t necessarily happen right away, like he wants. And, uh, but for the past, 10 months, I have been with him every single day, nonstop.

I mean, we, well, my husband and I alternate days now, because we needed something had to give and we have zero childcare. Uh, we’re all, we’re both Shanna and I are both in the LA area and the numbers here are just astronomically high and terrible. And so like we’re not even doing stuff like going to parks anymore because we’re, you know, scared of contracting.

I’m scared of showing up at the hospital and testing positive, which I really don’t want to do. You know? So we are just like, we’re just this very tight family unit and it’s all about to get blown up a little bit, which I’m, I’m a little, I’m a little concerned about how he’s going to react, but there’s not much you can do about it.

My big plan, you know, before the pandemic was like, I’ll get pregnant and then we’ll do things like he’ll go and stay at his grandma’s for two nights, so he gets used to being away from me. You know, now, now there’s just where he’s just going to have to be thrown into the deep end. I think. Everything changing and it stresses me out, but, you know, I guess it is what it is.

Shanna: One thing that really helped was giving the older kid responsibilities to help with the baby, you know, bring me the diaper. Oh, you know, come, the baby needs a lot of comfort right now. Can you come and help, help her while she’s crying? And my daughter really took to that. You know, she likes to be a leader.

She likes to be in charge and a helper and stuff. And so that was a nice way to get her involved with like what the baby and I were doing, and she could be part of it instead of being separate.

Heather: Yeah, my daughter is two right now and she is very into helping. And my mom always jokes and says, take it while you got it, because that’s a phase that she’s going to be out of someday when she’s not going to want to help you anymore.

You know, it’s probably a good thing to do that and foster that while they’re two. But Laura, I wanted to just acknowledge what, what it sounds to me, like you’re saying, I identify with a lot. Which is a fear of being over touched. And it, you know, some people don’t have that thing, you know, where they’re just like all the hugs and all the.

Maureen:  I don’t know those people. 

Heather: Maybe they’re all men.

Maureen: No, it’s my husband though. Yeah. He’ll snuggle with our son all day and then still want to snuggle with me and I’m like, are you really?

Shanna:  How? How?!

Heather: I don’t know. I don’t know. I had to like set some clear boundaries with my snuggly husband because my son, even though he’s seven, I guess he was five at the time my daughter was born, and he’s very snuggly all up on me in me, around me.

I used to say, it’s like, he wants to unzip me and climb back in and I’m like, Oh my God. So I had to set some clear boundaries and be like, husband, I’m sorry. But if all of these other people need to touch me all day long, you probably need to wrap your head around the fact that I’m not going to want to touch you that much and just know that now, and it’s a phase and we will slowly move out of it because that was also my fear is that like, oh my gosh, I’m not going to have anything left to give. And then it’s all going to fall apart.

Maureen: Right. And especially having two nurslings at once, too. That that’s something a lot of people go through and, you know, and we have clients sometimes that are like, Oh, it’s great. And one’s on one side and one’s on the other and I love it.

Yeah. That would not have been me. Um, but you know, a lot of people we see make it work where, you know, they’re in your situation, they’ve got one who nurses once or twice a day and a newborn. And, you know, they make it work by just having like five minutes a day that’s just special time without baby. You know, dad takes baby for an hour or whatever, and you’re like, Oh, okay this is our special mommy and me time. And you can have your booby now and you know, or if you don’t want to have booby now, maybe we’ll watch a movie together. You know, and just have that little special, only toddler time. So they still feel like they’re a priority.

Heather:  Yeah, and it has to be something they want to do, unfortunately.

Laura: So truck videos, we’re going to watch a lot of truck videos. I never knew I would know so much about like skid steer loaders, excavators, front-end loaders. Like I know all about them now, but I get corrected if I say the wrong thing.

Heather: Oh my gosh. Um, my, one of my best friends, Lydia, her parents joke about this at every single dinner that I’ve ever been to with them for her whole life. Her favorite book when she was little, was a book on safety, like, construction safety. And it was like a pretty long book and every single night they’d have to go through the safety manual, and she would read it like this is top notch, priority number one, book of my life. And so.

Maureen: I love it. They’re the weirdest, things.

Shanna: That’s great.

Heather: Well, you know, you’ll have to keep us updated on the baby because we were thinking we could do some hilarious, like East coast baby, West coast baby memes. You know, in a couple months here when everyone’s baby pops out, that would be pretty awesome.

Laura: Yes. Well, thankfully we have a platform where we talk about everything week by week. So there’s a way for you to keep up.

Heather:  I also want to say, I think it’s awesome that you had the wherewithal and the foresight to start a podcast when you were eight weeks and 11 weeks pregnant. And you were like, oh wait, I’m already feeling like this is about to be a journey that needs to be documented. And you did it. And you guys have it from beginning to, you know, TBD.

Shanna: No, I’m two and through. Pretty sure about that.

Maureen: I’m pretty sure too. This is, yeah, we’re just, we’re going to stop now.

Laura: Yeah, I’m with you. I always joke that I’m like a person who has a pregnancy podcast, and this is now like my beat. You know, people are always like hitting me up for pregnancy advice and I’m not super into it. Like I love talking about it, but I am not super into the physical aspect of being pregnant.

Maureen: I deliver babies for a living. And I like, if like people ask me if I love pregnancy and I’m like, no, why would I? Why would I love that?

Laura:  I’m fascinated by people who are though. I mean, like, and I know there are. Like, we, we have a lot of listeners who write in and say, they, you know, they love feeling pregnant.

They love being pregnant and that’s awesome for them. I just personally don’t get it. I am just a, maybe it’s because I’m also, now I’m geriatric. My first was, I was 36 for my first and I’m 38 for my second. And it’s like,

Maureen: I mean, it makes a big difference. It’s hard. I was 26 of my first and I didn’t love it, but I was still hiking five miles a day if I wanted to and I was like, whatever, and now I’m 31 and I’m like, well, I’m going to sleep until I have this baby.

Laura: Do it. Do it. For me, depended on the trimester. First trimester, no fun. Cause you’re nauseous and sick all the time. Second trimester was a party. I, I loved it. Like when I think back on my pregnancy, I look at that time and I’m just like, it was amazing. Oh my God. Okay. I start to feel the baby kicks. You’re not sick anymore.

It’s just like, great. And then the third trimester, you’re just like, so slow moving. Yeah. Just want a nap all the time and sore, and then it’s not fun anymore. So it’s like, it was a roller coaster for me. Yeah.

Heather:  I got a call the other day from someone that was like, “Hey, real quick, my vagina is swollen, like a soft ball and I was just wanting to make sure that was normal.” And I was like, “congratulations, your body is getting ready to have your baby.” And they were like, “I’m sorry, what?” You know, it’s expanding the vaginal tissue to create more elasticity so you don’t, you know, blow out your vagina when you push your baby out.

And they’re like, awesome.

Shanna: Great.

Laura: So magical!

Maureen: I talked to someone about their, um, symphysis pubis, starting to like separate a little, which early in pregnancy sucks. But at 38 weeks, I’m like, I mean, it’s kind of a good sign that your pelvic bones are moving because they have to move to have that baby. But I know it sucks, but it’s also good.

Heather: Yeah, I sleep in the middle between your legs and be careful hopping out of bed.

Laura: Oh man. I have terrible SPD pain, both pregnancies. This one, it started God, I don’t even remember, Shanna. I feel like it started like early, like 12 weeks. It was so early. Yeah. Um, so that’s one of my major struggles.

Maureen: Yeah. Well, I think, I think my, this last pregnancy, like aside from heartburn was fine.

I did not know how bad it could get to this pregnancy. I’ve been, I’ve had hyperemesis and thyroid issues, which of course are linked. I was like, Oh, I guess I should’ve gotten my thyroid levels checked. Like I would’ve done for any other client, like three months ago, but it’s me. So I don’t take care of myself.

Heather: I tried, I tried. Oh yeah. She wasn’t and then she got them and she sends them to me and I was like, damn.

Oh no, but also, it’s kind of nice to have an answer. Right? So when your body is acting a fool and then you have a very clear lab value, that’s like, this is the problem it’s like, thank God. I mean, what have you, has anything worked that you’ve done for your SPD pain?

Laura: Oh, yeah. So I’ve talked about it on the show too, but I have a pillow strategy is what I call it because I have terrible heartburn as well.

I have terrible heartburn and I had terrible heartburn before pregnancy. I also am hypothyroid. Uh, so we’ve got lots of, lots of fun stuff going on. And so I have to sleep on a wedge most of the time anyway, even when I’m not pregnant. So I have my wedge, and then I have my like U- shaped pregnancy pillow that I usually like stack actually on top.

Like I turn it into like a double pillow and if I sleep on my side, with my legs, even the key is having my knees and my ankles on the pillow. And then I got a yoga block and I did like the yoga block exercises where I squeeze you, you go on the widest setting and you squeeze, and then you go on the next narrowest and squeeze.

And I would do that every night and it really made a difference. So that was it. And then just, you have to be so conscious of like every way you move. Just never taking a weird step off the like office stair a weird way. And, but just, just really trying to make sure that my sleep pillow strategy was working and then being really, really conscious about how I move and like stopping myself from chasing after the toddler and scooping them off the ground and all that stuff.

Heather: Yeah. You realize you’re going to feel like a million bucks after you have that baby. Like, even if you have a C-section, you’re going to be like, Woo.

Laura: I’m excited. I’m so excited. I’m so, like, I remember that feeling last time. Cause I, my last baby was breached, so I had a planned C-section and this one we’re playing it by ear, but I’m not pushing too, too hard for a VBAC. I’m sort of like on the fence about it. So if I happen to go into labor and it looks good, we’re going to go for it.

And if not, I’m just going to have my C-section and call it a day. Um, but, uh, I remember even like when I had my C-section last time, the SPD pain was gone instantly for me. Instantly. And it was, I mean, maybe the 24 hours of like having a smile walk or whatever. By the time I was up and walking, it was gone and it was awesome.

So yeah. It’s nice how childbirth cures a lot of those ailments.

Maureen:  I’m so excited to stop vomiting. Like yeah.

Shanna:  You poor thing.

Maureen:  I finally found acupuncture was helping to stop me from actually puking every day, but I still feel just as nauseated most of the time.

Shanna: Oh no!

Maureen:  I’m going to have a baby and then I’m going to be like, I don’t, I don’t feel like I’m going to throw up. It’s gonna be great!

Shanna: What a relief!

Laura: You’re just going to have throw up all over you.

Maureen: I’ll just be relieved when it’s baby’s vomit and not mine. Right?

Heather:  I’m going to miss her soft burping in my ear.

Maureen:  Recording the podcast, I’m always like, hold on.

Well, ladies, thank you so much for coming. And um, if you need anything for your birth, let us know. We’re here for all of it. Yeah. We’d be happy to help in any way. So if you’re running into a, a tandem nursing problem, let us know. We got you. Just give us the problem. We’ll fix you right up.

Laura: Thanks!

Shanna: Aw, that’s so nice.

Heather: Well, tell us where we can find.

Laura: Okay. So we are on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook @BFPpodcast, and we have a website, And if you want to email us, you can email us at And we also have a Facebook community group you can join. So just search Facebook for Big Fat Positive Community.

Heather: All right. And we will actually link all of that in the show notes for you so you don’t have to work too hard to find it. We hope you guys all get everything you need from breastfeeding with us, and then pop over there and get entertained and get some good parenting advice from our buddies, Laura and Shanna.

Laura: Thanks so much.

Shanna: Thank you. Thanks.

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All right. It’s time to do our award in the alcove. My favorite part of the show.

Maureen:  Me too, Heather. So this week our award goes to you, Delia. She just achieved five months of exclusive breastfeeding.

Heather: And she says that that’s one month more than her first breastfeeding journey. And I just want to say that this girl has invested so much into her journey.

And I actually got to know her in a private consult and I just love her. And I’m so excited for her. So you Delia, we’re giving you the fantastic five award.

Maureen: Congratulations. And I hope you keep meeting and exceeding your goals.

Heather:  Yes, same. All right. Well, that’s all from us today.

Maureen: All right. Thanks for tuning in.

And don’t forget to listen to the Big Fat Positive Podcast.

Heather: Yeah. And then check out the show notes for all of their awesome social media links and, um, you know, subscribe, show him some love.

Maureen:  See you next time guys. Bye. Bye.

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